Parallel fifths and octaves

Gradus ad ParnassumJohann Joseph Fux, 1725

• First species in three voices

  …measure of the first example: the fifth proceeds to the final octave, a perfect consonance to a perfect consonance, by similar motion, because it cannot be done otherwise. For example:

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• Third species in four voices

  Joseph. That progression between the alto and tenor seems faulty, because it proceeds from a perfect consonance to a perfect consonance by similar motion.

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• Third species in four voices

  Joseph. That progression from a perfect consonance to a perfect consonance by similar motion, that is, from a fifth to an octave, raises some scruple in me, all the more because it occurs in the outer parts.

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  First species counterpoint: note against note
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  First species counterpoint: note against note
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  First species in three voices
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  Third species in four voices
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  Third species in four voices

Exercises in Elementary CounterpointPercy Goetschius, 1910

• Chapter VII. Rhythmic Diversity. Two Notes To A Given Beat

  73. Rule 8. Successive octaves (which were proven objectionable in Ex. 34) are not rectified when separated by one unessential tone, but may be excused when an accented essential tone intervenes (or, possibly, when separated by two unessential tones). Thus:

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  Chapter VII. Rhythmic Diversity. Two Notes To A Given Beat

Counterpoint AppliedPercy Goetschius, 1902

• Chapter XVIII

  *1) The parallel octaves at the confluence of the parts are of course inevitable. From here on, the upper part is, practically, the Leader.

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  Chapter XVIII

Counterpoint for BeginnersC. H. Kitson, 1927

• Chapter I. First Species

  (a) Consecutive octaves or fifths are forbidden:

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• Chapter II. Second Species

  In the music from which the technique and grammar of Strict Counterpoint is derived, an intermediate concord was held to prevent the bad effect of consecutive octaves or fifths.

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• Chapter II. Second Species

  (a) Consecutive octaves or fifths must never be direct:

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• Chapter II. Second Species

  (c) Consecutive octaves and fifths may occur between the C. F. and second minims of consecutive bars if both minims are not the highest or lowest in each bar:

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• Chapter II. Second Species

  (a) This substitution of Fourth Species is allowed in order to avoid consecutive octaves:

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• Chapter III. Third Species

  Consecutive octaves and fifths (both notes of the latter being essential) should not occur between the C. F. and the counterpoint as from:

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Treatise on HarmonyJean-Philippe Rameau, 1722

• CHAPTER NINE. On Avoiding Cadences while Imitating Them

  X. It is sometimes appropriate to transpose parts an octave higher or lower to restore their natural range, provided this introduces neither two consecutive octaves nor two consecutive fifths.

• Chapter seventeen

  Hidden octaves and fifths were forbidden only to prevent extravagant part movements, especially with dissonance. With consonance, contrary motion easily avoids the fault. Yet these passages occur constantly in perfect and irregular cadences: hidden octaves in…

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• Chapter seventeen

  …whether in moving major or minor thirds and sixths naturally or in avoiding consecutive octaves and fifths. We often think we see fifths or octaves that we do not hear. Masson* and others allow sixth-to-fifth movement as shown, though two fifths appear if the…

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• Chapter five

  1. Never make two successive octaves or two successive fifths. This is easily recognized in the sequence of figures: the same part must never contain two octaves, 8 8, or two fifths, 5 5. As we can observe, this fault can now be avoided without requiring…

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• Chapter forty

  …with the bass from those serving only melodic taste. If it leaps, they fear consecutive fifths or octaves with the fundamental bass, not knowing that the melody then follows the fundamental bass’s natural route. This is precisely why another bass must be…

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• SUPPLEMENT: changes to two chapters and necessary corrections

  Page 104, lines 10–11: replace “consecutive octaves” with “consecutive octaves or fifths.”

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Practical Manual of HarmonyNikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, 1910

• Preface to the First Edition

  …take to explain every harmonic fact — for example, the reasons that forbid consecutive fifths, and so on. But in truth they offer little or almost no teaching on how to harmonize a melody or how to choose chords well.

• Preface to the Third Edition

  …among other things, the following material, which is needed in practice: hidden fifths and octaves, the plagal half cadence, the triad on the second degree and its seventh chord, ascending sequences, and some explanation of how to lay out a modulation plan.…

• Forbidden Motions

  The parallel fifths and octaves, and the fifths and octaves by contrary motion, that arise in this case are strictly forbidden to the pupil; parallel unisons come under the same rules:

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• Succession of the Two Sixth Chords of the Fourth and Fifth Degrees

  REMARK. — In this case, to avoid forbidden successions (parallel fifths), the sixth chord of the fourth degree must have its root in melodic position (in the soprano).

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• Assignment No. 9 · Footnote

  (*) Direct motion bringing the outer parts to a perfect fifth or an octave is not allowed (hidden fifths and octaves).

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• Assignment No. 9 · Footnote

  (**) Hidden octaves.

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• ▶ I–V with both chords in octave position: parallel fifths and octaves, then fifths and octaves by contrary motion (bracketed and marked 5 and 8)
  Forbidden Motions
• ▶ Two-part illustrations, bracketed: parallel fifths, fifths by contrary motion, parallel octaves, octaves by contrary motion, parallel unisons, and unison to octave
  Forbidden Motions
• ▶ Minor-mode illustration of rule 3 (A minor): the bass of IV6 is raised to F sharp; caption 'Melodic minor scale'
  Succession of the Two Sixth Chords of the Fourth and Fifth Degrees
• ▶ Model, second realization of the same melody, ending with a cadence of the first kind
  Assignment No. 9

Guide to the Practical Study of HarmonyPyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, 1900

• Introduction · Intervals

  Pure Primes, Octaves and Fifths as well as major and minor Thirds and Sixths are consonances, the first three being termed perfect consonances, and the major and minor Thirds and Sixths imperfect consonances. Seconds, Sevenths and all augmented and diminished…

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• Chapter III. Connection of Triads, showing no External agreement

  …the independent movement of the voices. Such forbidden progressions are Parallel Fifths and Octaves.

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• Chapter III. Connection of Triads, showing no External agreement

  Remark.To comprehend clearly the reason for prohibiting parallel Fifths and Octaves, it must be borne in mind that we have to deal not with the massive harmonization of orchestra or piano composition, but with 4 separate independent voices, which do not permit…

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• Chapter III. Connection of Triads, showing no External agreement

  lf we wish to connect two triads having no external relationship, we can not lead all the voices a second upwards or downwards, as parallel fifths and octaves would arise.

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• Chapter XVII. The Harmonization of a given melody

  …importance of guarding from the very start against forbidden progressions of fifths and octaves. My prolonged experience has taught me, that no fault grows into a habit more easily than negligence in this respect. The ablest pupil will overlook a great number…

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• Chapter XXV. Passing-notes

  At c) there are parallel fifths between Tenor and Bass; at d) likewise. At e) a seventh is formed between Soprano and Bass: there are also parallel fifths. At f) a ninth is formed between Soprano and Tenor; between Soprano and Bass there are even two ninths in…

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  Introduction · Intervals
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  Chapter III. Connection of Triads, showing no External agreement
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  Chapter XVII. The Harmonization of a given melody
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  Chapter XXV. Passing-notes

Theory of HarmonyArnold Schoenberg, 1922

• Parallel octaves and fifths

  This version also prohibits what are called hidden parallel octaves and hidden parallel fifths. It could also be formulated thus: when two voices, starting from any intervallic relationship—including that of a fifth or octave—meet in an octave or fifth through…

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• Parallel octaves and fifths

  Open parallel octaves or fifths were unconditionally forbidden, but certain hidden ones were permitted under specified conditions. Above all, those that could not be avoided: necessity knows no prohibition! Among octaves*), these include those that almost…

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• Parallel octaves and fifths

  Exceptions were therefore established: hidden octaves or fifths are conditionally permissible when they are less conspicuous because they occur between two inner voices, or at least between an inner and an outer voice. And: hidden octaves are better when one…

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• Parallel octaves and fifths

  …independence of the voices is abolished. It may not be incorrect that, with parallel octaves, the voices’ independence seems lost at the single moment of progression. But the assertion that they sound bad—or, worse, that they sound bad because the voice’s…

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• Parallel octaves and fifths

  …for reasons of sonority can naturally never arise. We shall therefore avoid parallel octaves entirely in our exercises. We shall do so also for the reason already suggested, which will answer in the same negative sense the question of whether to write parallel…

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• Parallel octaves and fifths

  It was probably the same here. When the coercion of the guild joins the joy of achievement, the child of this marriage can only be orthodoxy. No longer needing to establish what has newly been attained, orthodoxy finds its task in preserving it through…

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• ▶ Example 16a
  Parallel octaves and fifths
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  Parallel octaves and fifths
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  Parallel octaves and fifths
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  Parallel octaves and fifths
• ▶ Example 21 — horn fifths
  Parallel octaves and fifths
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  Parallel octaves and fifths

Principles of OrchestrationNikolai Rimsky-Korsakov, 1922

• Number of harmonic parts—Duplication

  Consecutive octaves between the upper parts are not permissible:

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• Number of harmonic parts—Duplication

  Consecutive fifths resulting from the duplication of the three upper parts moving in chords of sixths are of no importance:

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  Number of harmonic parts—Duplication
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  Number of harmonic parts—Duplication

OrchestrationCecil Forsyth, 1914

• Stringed instruments

  …able to accompany the unison choral melodies with those forbidding series of fifths and octaves which satisfied the same craving in the early middle ages as Wagner's harmony satisfied in the nineteenth century. These series of fifths and octaves are known to…

• Stringed instruments

  …to e strings: indeed their only object was to produce the tearsome series of fifths and octaves which made up the "organum" of those very dark ages.

• No. 49. The Cello

  …the Cellos again. However, if the two lower parts are merely playing in fifths and octaves, there is not so much danger of the unpleasant clash of overtones resulting from the divided Bass-parts. If the Basses are divided it is always better for safety's sake…

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• No. 51. The Double-Bass.'

  …in two parts divisi. A narrow exception may be made in favour of those fifths and octaves which have one open string. The list is as follows:

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  No. 49. The Cello
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  No. 51. The Double-Bass.'